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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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hello and welcome to the skeptic zone

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today is july 13 2013 and this is your

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host Steve a novella joining me this

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week are Richard Saunders hello Bob

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novella hey everybody Jay novella hey

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guys and Chris Brown well hello again

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everyone now you haven't picked the

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wrong podcast folks this is the skipping

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stone after all but I'm with my good

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friends here from the skeptics guide to

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the universe Wow we're all here at the

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end of this huge hallway outside the

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ballroom where the conventions going on

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the amazing reading how many times is

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this for you now Steve I think this is

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sex right we started with the fifth one

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this is the eleventh one that exactly

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this is 11 yeah so 60 then 77 I can Wow

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including Tammy Australia I would make

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eight if you include time Australia

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hello yeah that's fantastic and your

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table is about six or seven tables down

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the hall from here a busy table I bet

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yeah we do we love coming to these

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conventions and they were talking to our

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listeners in this pre I pretty steady

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stream past the table absolutely yeah

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it's good and you've got the power bands

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this time the SGU power bands are you're

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wearing one Bob yes but my favorite

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color black of course i love it i love

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scene skeptics guide to the universe on

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this band although one of my problems

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with these bands that I'm afraid people

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will see it and think it's a real power

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balance band and if I don't talk to them

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and explain to them they're gonna think

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I'm I'm supporting this crap but oh well

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and I'm sad to say that after running

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through space and time evil captain j

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novella has caught me Captain Saunders

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good to see you Jay good to see Kourtney

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here too yeah we wanted to bring the

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baby but we didn't so I yeah he's home

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we can't wait to go home tomorrow yeah

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that's right that's right well folks

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coming up on this week's show not too

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much to do with the amazing meeting that

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will be coming up in the weeks to come

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but we have an extended interview with

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dr. Eugenie Scott from the National

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Center for Science Education a favorite

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of everybody I think she's a wonderful

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lady yeah it's it's a sad to hear that

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she's retiring but you know AI guess you

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can't keep going forever but she's done

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an amazing job at the NCSE and now we're

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just waiting to see who can possibly

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fill her shoes

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organization it's hard to imagine it's

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hard to imagine so perfect for that role

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what we'll do that we'll start that

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interview rolling and while that's

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happening I'm going to run down to in

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the hall I'm going to grab a large

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coffee and a Vegemite bagel and I'll let

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I'm delighted absolutely delighted to be

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back here once again at the National

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Center for Science Education with my

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good friend don't pee Eugenie Scott

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hello Jeanie hello Richard so good to be

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back thank you i was should have been

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here a few days ago but I was sort of

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having a bit of a rough time with the

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rotten bug I picked up but I'm feeling

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much better well if you start hacking

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and wheezing will forgive you thank you

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well we'll blame it on our West Coast

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viruses that that you not not that

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Australia but you have not experienced

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such things but you know we have

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different viruses than you do so you get

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you get cut a little slack now these are

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that interesting it's so this is an

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interesting segue into evolution isn't

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it you GT because everything every same

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way you cannot escape you cannot imagine

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if there was only one cold virus or

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something like that it would have been

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knocked on the head years ago I mean you

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get a good get at once and your body

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would build up the immunity then you

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could sell through the rest of your life

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quite happily but no LS and that poor

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little virus would have to keep looking

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for other creatures to infect in order

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those mutations taking place to shift

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shift around his genome a bit so i must

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mutate incredibly quickly they do yeah

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that's the nature of iris this is

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another thing we've never discussed and

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it's sort of just yeah what real science

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skeptic sir so good yeah well I think

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evolution of viruses as i understand i

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number of versions of the cold virus I

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Neanderthals never suffered from them

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host to another you have to have a

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pretty good-sized population and until

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revolution humans just did not live in

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big enough communities to keep a virus

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code ever thought about that yeah well

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anthropologist think about this kind of

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stuff all the time so glad you came by

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you weren't as fascinating you wouldn't

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see in the end result with a runny nose

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maybe wealthy and probably not well they

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have another Neanderthal smacked a

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minute that's not what you're talking

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about yeah yeah nope no Neanderthal

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would have suffered my friend Richard as

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you have these last few could take

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wheezing and hacking away they now

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viral diseases as I understand it really

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reservoir in order to maintain

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themselves well and when what better

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host reservoir than the human race at

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the moment we're especially with the

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intercontinental travel and all the rest

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of it oh we can swap around Moses light

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in nothing flat yeah that's actually one

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of the one of the staples of science

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videos it is yeah epidemic driver

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struggle that game and and on up in him

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substantial at some point but speaking

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of speaking of fiction that deals with

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apocalyptic viruses it's wiping us out

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counselor that I have no yeah well it

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for any of your listeners who are

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looking for kind of a real pioneering

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the majority of the species gets wiped

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living in there the physical plant shall

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geology oh sorry geography professor at

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UC Berkeley and he wrote this book about

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what happens if you take away most of

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the humans on the planet but you leave

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the sort of the physical plant of

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civilization and you leave you know

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geographer he really does integrate a

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lot of science into it one of the things

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that happens according to his reading of

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natural history is that bright red

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insects see more easily than others it's

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it's been a long time I think I better

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go back and reread it I it's because I'm

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enjoying thinking about it and what

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specialized breeds that we have you

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yellow dog probably as we don't refer to

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jokingly call I love dogs and you know

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don't know what my husband that isn't

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what your cats going to say about well

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yeah my cats not going to be too happy

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neither is my husband we got to work

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this out but I am dog deprived i really

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need a dog but you know the dogs that

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the first domesticated dogs well that

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the Middle East around you know three

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culture archaeologically speaking these

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very generic they did

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squashed faces you have to find in some

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of the pugs and there are other animals

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coats they had long or short but they

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domesticated dogs and also in

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domesticated foxes you know those

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studies that were done it's it's one of

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these canid traits that doesn't occur

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much in the wild but which human beings

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select for it but probably getting back

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basic know to phien middle-sized no

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special characteristics just your your

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basic four-on-the-floor candid your and

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cats on the other hand do just fine no

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problem with them surviving they do just

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fine yeah but it's a great book it

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really is very interesting sheep sheeps

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days are numbered sheep don't really do

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very well without human being stick I

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know a large numbers that we have them

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on the planet that's purely physically

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and besides there aren't exactly

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selected anymore for their wit they're

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pretty Dumbo they're pretty goats on the

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other hand goats on the other hand are

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much more adaptable so he sort of goes

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through all of the different you know

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domesticated animals sweet corn forget

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it it you know it is such a fragile

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reproduce on its own timing when there's

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just all sorts of reasons why why corn

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isn't set up to reproduce itself yeah so

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population but there's a huge you know

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in this story I think it was a virus

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that spread very quickly and only a

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small number of people in earth abides

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were naturally resistant to the virus

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and oddly enough people who had been

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bitten by a rattlesnake who just you

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know happened to produce antibodies that

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were close enough to the natural

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antibodies that some people had that

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they were able to fight off this printer

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people haven't been bitten by a

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rattlesnake are there going to be a very

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small number yes exactly so most people

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die in this in this great epidemic but

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anyway it's a fun book it's it's worth

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it shouldn't be confined to the scrap

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heap of science fiction history it

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should be revived at regular intervals

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because it's it's well done it sounds

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like it would make a great movie but of

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course this sort of movie has been them

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hmm so you seem to be a lot of movies

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about this I'm not what's a good story

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uh-huh it's it's a great what a story

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okay sure I'm surprised just looking

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around this this room this is a new room

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you have here at the National Center for

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Science Education this is your new

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conference media office I guess you'd

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say it's a lovely big room it's welded

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with bookshelves and skulls everywhere

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fossils of our our collection of fossils

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we've got mostly fastball almost

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entirely fossil humans occasionally we

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have the the rare primate and of course

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we have orangs and gorillas in the chimp

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Oh any other in yonder t-rex what's a

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conference room without a dinosaur there

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there you go yeah the easy to spot we

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remodeled a chunk of our archives into a

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conference room when the we added the

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two new climate change staff members and

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I'm afraid our small office is just with

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our open cubicle framework just it was

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they was just too noisy

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needed a place where people could have

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conference calls have media interviews

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do the occasional podcast yes and when

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one of the things that we're hoping to

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get is to get some lights appropriate

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lights and reflectors so that we can

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actually do some filming in here as well

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oh it would be great because of the the

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the backdrop of all these bookshelves or

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skulls and books well I think so

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scholarly they would have our stuff

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nothing like a wood background here I

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but you know you can't really you can't

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really do good film unless you have the

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proper lighting that's true I know that

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very well yes indeed we have some we

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have some promo pieces on our youtube

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site that every time i see i kind of

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cringe because everybody looks so awful

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you don't know well in the sense that

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the lights hitting the face is wrong and

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you know everything you end up even if

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you don't have bags under your eyes

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that's what you wind up with the lights

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coming in at the wrong angle and

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whatever so hopefully we'll we'll be

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able to get somebody to donate some

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lights if you're listening we have a we

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have some listed on amazon wish list or

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we'll get a grant and get some

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appropriate lights and maybe do some

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more YouTube stuff I'm looking forward

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to that that would be good YouTube stuff

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is always pretty important I think now

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you need it's not that long ago I was

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here intervening you about the fact that

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you've taken on this whole new area of a

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climate change when was that we got our

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first funding for the climate change

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initiative in the summer of 2011 and in

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the fall of 2011 mark McCaffrey came on

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and we started preparing to launch so to

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speak and in I think with January of

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2012 we announced the climate change

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initiative and so it's been about a year

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and a half ok yeah we got a little

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additional funding from an anonymous

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donor who which was very gratefully

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received and we were able to hire our

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second climate change person minda

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Rebecca it was a biologist does ecology

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things and so now we have a good strong

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staff and we're starting to

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starting some really very interesting

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projects that I think will will help a

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lot in terms of getting the science of

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climate change into the schools helping

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teachers to deal with the pushback that

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they get not just from evolution but

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also from climate change yeah yeah which

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of course why we took this tough this

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topic on yes we were running into the

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same kinds of well I can see the

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similarities and even when i'm back in

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australia listening to comment or

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reading the newspapers or whatever it is

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so much of the time we'll have these

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outspoken people who who are like the

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creationists running around saying that

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this is all a scare it's all a

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conspiracy who frankly don't know what

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they're talking about now I must admit

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when it comes to even even more than a

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shallow look at something like climate

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change I don't know what I'm talking

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about so it's amazing other people think

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they're suddenly experts and the

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consensus of scientific opinion is wrong

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you know yeah you know it's funny well

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what we learned in dealing with

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evolution for so many decades is that

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it's really not about the science it's

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about the motivation that people have

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for accepting or rejecting certain

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authorities know you and I know probably

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a lot of the people listening to this

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show know that the consensus view of the

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vast vast majority of scientists all

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over their world not just in the United

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States is that living things have common

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ancestors the universe is very old the

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planet is very old billions of years and

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evolution in other words has taken place

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yeah and they vast a percentage of

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scientists particularly those who do

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research in climate science are in

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agreement that the planet is definitely

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getting warm

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warmer the rate of change has increased

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precipitously in the last 50 years and

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that human activity especially in the

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release of warming gases has a great

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deal to do especially with the rate of

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change that's taking place now and this

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is something that really is not being

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debated mooing scientists but if you

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have certain ideological beliefs in the

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case of evolution the special creation

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is the major ideological belief that's

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you know keeps people from accepting the

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science you're going to look at the

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creation science experts right the

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people who agree are you in other words

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exactly and and they present arguments

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that sound scientific they may be based

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in science the arguments of creation

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science proponents have been examined by

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mainstream scientists have been shown

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over and over and over to be false and

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to be not supported by evidence and

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should not be accepted but there is this

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tendency to to accept these views

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because they don't contradict the

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ideological position that that

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conservative Christians hold now in the

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case of climate science the pattern is

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the same the details are different no

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there are ideological reasons for

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rejecting anthropogenic climate change

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in the United States these are political

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ideological views or economic

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ideological views views that American

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independence or security are being

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threatened individual freedoms are being

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threatened if these people who claim

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anthropogenic climate change is correct

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are correct that we'll have to you know

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we can't drive our big cars we all have

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to turn to priuses and change our light

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bulbs and we're risking the security of

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our country because we're not using

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fossil fuels for the army or whatever

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you know I mean

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they're these feelings really are very

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very strong yeah or there is a feeling

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from an economic ideological standpoint

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often expressed by libertarians that

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anthropogenic climate change is really

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an attack upon the capitalist system the

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end that constraint should not be placed

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upon the industries that produce carbon

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there the coal and gas and oil

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industries no constraint should be

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placed upon them because that is

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socialistic instead of being

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capitalistic and the free market will

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solve all problems there these

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ideological views that really do shape

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what science you're going to pay

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attention to so when somebody who has

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that kind of ideology hears from a

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climate science denier that here's the

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science that shows that the planet

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either is not getting warmer which is

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harder and harder to support view of the

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evidence is so strong but minimally that

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it's not people's fault if the planet is

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getting warmer it's auto some natural

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cycle and unstoppable solar cycles a

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very famous video oh of course we've

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heard the one it's not in fact getting

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warmer we're just about to you for an

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ice age I hear that quite a bit well

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they're not paying or my favorite which

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is the that 1990 it was the hottest year

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in the last 50 years so therefore it's

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not getting warmer and of course that's

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just you know that that is the most

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egregious cherry-picking of data and

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possibly tues no no no the most

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egregious is when when we have a cold

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day in Sydney oh yeah but they say hi

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all these people who say well it's

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getting hotter it's freezing outside

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well was it 2009 whatever when when

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there was by ice no in Washington DC see

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ya what do you mean global warming

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sweetie you're confusing weather with

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climate they haven't had the same is

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great a little little clip on YouTube

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that was made by some Swedes I sometime

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use it in my talks and it's just is this

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great little illustration of the

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different

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between weather and climate and what

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you're seeing is this guy this little

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cartoon figure of a man walking a dog on

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a leash and he's sort of plotting along

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and he started walking you know like

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diagonally across the screen that you

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are observing here at this little

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cartoon figure and the dog is doing the

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dog thing the dog is rendered to the

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left and to the right aneese is going up

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and down and zipping back and forth on

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the leash meanwhile the guy holding the

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leash the the owner of the dog is just

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plotting a straight line yeah and then

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the the camera so to speak on this

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little vignette pulls back and you see

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that the dog is is well I should say

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properly speaking the man is walking in

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a diagonal line so to speak across an XY

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axis graph the dog is crossing the line

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up and down Aziz on as leash the dog is

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the climate is the dog is the weather

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the weight which goes up and down but

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the climate is really controlling where

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that dog is going to be and so that it's

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this is very lovely little hmm I like

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that oh yeah yeah I'll send you a link

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to it and I was all included on the show

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notes for this episode that sounds like

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oh really it's actually I think would

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you remember what it's called the

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mammoth dog climate yeah you probably

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find it that way and but I'm pretty sure

545
00:24:10,570 --> 00:24:08,230
it's the Swedes who did it guy who I

546
00:24:12,310 --> 00:24:10,580
have it on my computer and I can tell

547
00:24:14,409 --> 00:24:12,320
you exactly where it is on my dog

548
00:24:16,060 --> 00:24:14,419
wallpaper but I can tell you the name

549
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:16,070
I'll let the listeners know before this

550
00:24:19,419 --> 00:24:17,690
search this show is out don't worry

551
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:19,429
about yeah it's great fun what the one

552
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:21,530
is a post editing interviews we it's

553
00:24:25,180 --> 00:24:23,330
just marvelous we can fit all this sort

554
00:24:29,169 --> 00:24:25,190
of stuff it in post fix it in post as

555
00:24:31,210 --> 00:24:29,179
they said they said at the creation so

556
00:24:33,070 --> 00:24:31,220
yeah it's interesting that that you can

557
00:24:34,510 --> 00:24:33,080
use this wealth of information

558
00:24:37,120 --> 00:24:34,520
especially when it comes to the

559
00:24:38,529 --> 00:24:37,130
arguments both things really what you've

560
00:24:41,350 --> 00:24:38,539
learned from the creationism and

561
00:24:43,930 --> 00:24:41,360
evolution story I think well the reason

562
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:43,940
we took on this whole new subject area

563
00:24:48,060 --> 00:24:46,210
as you say

564
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:48,070
this is not a subject area that you are

565
00:24:53,100 --> 00:24:50,530
I are intimately acquainted or are you

566
00:24:55,980 --> 00:24:53,110
to some degree what we have done is said

567
00:24:57,900 --> 00:24:55,990
okay we're going to take a look at the

568
00:25:00,390 --> 00:24:57,910
consensus of the scientific community of

569
00:25:03,180 --> 00:25:00,400
people who have done the hard work of

570
00:25:06,330 --> 00:25:03,190
figuring out how the world works in this

571
00:25:09,690 --> 00:25:06,340
particular context and you know we're

572
00:25:13,130 --> 00:25:09,700
going to we're going to look at at the

573
00:25:16,590 --> 00:25:13,140
outcome of what we know is this very

574
00:25:19,820 --> 00:25:16,600
iterative process of of progress and

575
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:19,830
critique and progress and critique and

576
00:25:23,970 --> 00:25:22,690
once there is a consensus and we're

577
00:25:26,490 --> 00:25:23,980
going to go along with that consensus

578
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:26,500
even though we are not researchers in

579
00:25:34,290 --> 00:25:32,050
this field yeah yeah and I I can I can

580
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:34,300
have confidence in that process because

581
00:25:39,690 --> 00:25:36,810
I am very familiar with how that process

582
00:25:42,360 --> 00:25:39,700
operated when it comes to evolution and

583
00:25:44,370 --> 00:25:42,370
when I was actually a real genuine

584
00:25:48,270 --> 00:25:44,380
scientist as opposed to playing one on

585
00:25:49,860 --> 00:25:48,280
television I can yeah I knew I I was

586
00:25:52,770 --> 00:25:49,870
contributing to that process I mean I

587
00:25:55,470 --> 00:25:52,780
know how science works and I know how it

588
00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:55,480
came out the case of evolution living

589
00:26:01,080 --> 00:25:57,610
things of common ancestors Pope this is

590
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:01,090
a this is it and I see the same sort of

591
00:26:10,590 --> 00:26:04,090
consensus having arrived at within the

592
00:26:13,620 --> 00:26:10,600
climate science community as well so it

593
00:26:15,510 --> 00:26:13,630
really is it really is not just

594
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:15,520
accepting the dogma shall we say of

595
00:26:20,730 --> 00:26:17,410
science it's actually understanding how

596
00:26:23,010 --> 00:26:20,740
science works and accepting a consensus

597
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:23,020
view which might change yeah yeah this

598
00:26:28,110 --> 00:26:25,570
is okay this is very hard for a lot of

599
00:26:30,510 --> 00:26:28,120
people to cochlear to grasp especially a

600
00:26:32,820 --> 00:26:30,520
lot of the people I deal with in the in

601
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:32,830
the new age supernatural paranormal

602
00:26:36,540 --> 00:26:34,570
realms shall I say psychics and

603
00:26:38,820 --> 00:26:36,550
clairvoyants in this sort of ilk who

604
00:26:41,910 --> 00:26:38,830
will gladly use scientific sounding

605
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:41,920
words and phrases but this concept of

606
00:26:46,410 --> 00:26:44,650
the scientific consensus that's what you

607
00:26:49,650 --> 00:26:46,420
support because people who research

608
00:26:53,549 --> 00:26:49,660
should this is their conclusion but you

609
00:26:56,259 --> 00:26:53,559
you also are prepared to

610
00:26:58,359 --> 00:26:56,269
come and go with the tight as it was as

611
00:27:00,279 --> 00:26:58,369
things change in a to a lot of people

612
00:27:02,259 --> 00:27:00,289
that's that's beyond the pale and

613
00:27:05,139 --> 00:27:02,269
another interesting point is a lot of

614
00:27:06,989 --> 00:27:05,149
people will hang on to their beliefs and

615
00:27:09,940 --> 00:27:06,999
that dope about they'll follow XYZ

616
00:27:11,229 --> 00:27:09,950
person who says this because I guess at

617
00:27:13,810 --> 00:27:11,239
times they're seen as the Maverick

618
00:27:16,389 --> 00:27:13,820
here's the one guy who's standing up

619
00:27:18,519 --> 00:27:16,399
against the you know he they laughed at

620
00:27:19,690 --> 00:27:18,529
Galileo I hear that so many times I want

621
00:27:21,070 --> 00:27:19,700
to pull my hair out you know they

622
00:27:22,810 --> 00:27:21,080
laughed at those of the clown they left

623
00:27:25,509 --> 00:27:22,820
it bozo the clown it's called Sagan said

624
00:27:29,469 --> 00:27:25,519
yes that's right being laughed at his

625
00:27:30,999 --> 00:27:29,479
hardly grounds for agencies point but

626
00:27:33,609 --> 00:27:31,009
but it's a wonderful thing for them to

627
00:27:36,430 --> 00:27:33,619
use because they say well he was right

628
00:27:38,649 --> 00:27:36,440
there for this person who they're

629
00:27:40,659 --> 00:27:38,659
laughing at must be right and that's how

630
00:27:43,659 --> 00:27:40,669
the thinking is wired into the culture

631
00:27:45,639 --> 00:27:43,669
though oh yeah I mean we you know we we

632
00:27:48,310 --> 00:27:45,649
share basically sort of Western

633
00:27:51,460 --> 00:27:48,320
industrial culture Australian in the US

634
00:27:54,129 --> 00:27:51,470
and english-speaking and it's it's kind

635
00:27:56,229 --> 00:27:54,139
of wired into our culture we really like

636
00:27:58,960 --> 00:27:56,239
underdogs yeah we really like the

637
00:28:00,909 --> 00:27:58,970
Mavericks we really like the the High

638
00:28:03,149 --> 00:28:00,919
Noon guy who's standing over the crowd

639
00:28:07,060 --> 00:28:03,159
and going his own way and stuff

640
00:28:14,469 --> 00:28:07,070
sometimes when I talk about science as a

641
00:28:16,180 --> 00:28:14,479
way of knowing how I'll express it in a

642
00:28:18,580 --> 00:28:16,190
way that I hope gets across the idea

643
00:28:21,039 --> 00:28:18,590
that some aspects of science are very

644
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:21,049
stable and don't change like we were

645
00:28:26,379 --> 00:28:22,970
talking about other aspects of of

646
00:28:27,879 --> 00:28:26,389
science are more labile and they do

647
00:28:30,669 --> 00:28:27,889
change and those are the parts that we

648
00:28:33,039 --> 00:28:30,679
you know we're worth good wood with if

649
00:28:35,019 --> 00:28:33,049
you think it's useful to think of

650
00:28:37,539 --> 00:28:35,029
science as a set of concentric circles

651
00:28:39,639 --> 00:28:37,549
yes this is a good model yeah in the

652
00:28:41,710 --> 00:28:39,649
middle is the core ideas of science yeah

653
00:28:43,629 --> 00:28:41,720
the next concentric circle around that

654
00:28:46,570 --> 00:28:43,639
are their frontier ideas of science and

655
00:28:48,849 --> 00:28:46,580
then on the concentric circle around

656
00:28:52,139 --> 00:28:48,859
that is the fringe viewers is the part

657
00:28:55,719 --> 00:28:52,149
where we like to splash with our

658
00:28:57,759 --> 00:28:55,729
paranormal and all the other kind of fun

659
00:28:59,710 --> 00:28:57,769
stuff especially that you do but the

660
00:29:02,680 --> 00:28:59,720
core ideas of science are not likely to

661
00:29:04,629 --> 00:29:02,690
change the big idea that living things

662
00:29:06,030 --> 00:29:04,639
of common ancestors the basic idea of

663
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:06,040
biological evolution

664
00:29:11,100 --> 00:29:08,770
not going to change the big idea of

665
00:29:14,730 --> 00:29:11,110
continental drift that the planets move

666
00:29:16,650 --> 00:29:14,740
around and the surface of the planet has

667
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:16,660
changed over time that's not going to

668
00:29:21,810 --> 00:29:19,810
change you in the frontier the the next

669
00:29:23,430 --> 00:29:21,820
concentric circle out the frontier ideas

670
00:29:25,860 --> 00:29:23,440
of science that's where the research is

671
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:25,870
going on that's where discoveries are

672
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:29,650
being made and that's where things very

673
00:29:35,790 --> 00:29:32,530
likely will change and can change or be

674
00:29:39,020 --> 00:29:35,800
modified but the nice thing about

675
00:29:42,090 --> 00:29:39,030
science is that very rarely does

676
00:29:44,700 --> 00:29:42,100
everything change you know I used to

677
00:29:46,530 --> 00:29:44,710
just want to smack my physical

678
00:29:50,900 --> 00:29:46,540
anthropology colleagues upside the head

679
00:29:54,210 --> 00:29:50,910
when one of them would start a talk or

680
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:54,220
worse yet a class everything in my field

681
00:30:01,710 --> 00:29:57,010
has changed since last semester no it

682
00:30:03,690 --> 00:30:01,720
hasn't oh really what you mean females

683
00:30:07,590 --> 00:30:03,700
don't have whiter sciatic matches than

684
00:30:09,330 --> 00:30:07,600
men who knew well I don't mean that well

685
00:30:12,690 --> 00:30:09,340
of course not there's most of the stuff

686
00:30:15,210 --> 00:30:12,700
doesn't change and what we will change

687
00:30:17,820 --> 00:30:15,220
the details and we change sometimes you

688
00:30:20,970 --> 00:30:17,830
change very tiny details but the core

689
00:30:23,850 --> 00:30:20,980
ideas yeah change yeah yeah and even and

690
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:23,860
a lot of those frontier ideas will go

691
00:30:27,990 --> 00:30:26,050
into the core and some frontier ideas

692
00:30:31,980 --> 00:30:28,000
are going to be dropped because they

693
00:30:35,460 --> 00:30:31,990
don't work but that the planet is

694
00:30:37,470 --> 00:30:35,470
getting warm is an observation really

695
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:37,480
it's not even a core idea this is this

696
00:30:44,190 --> 00:30:39,370
is just a flat-out observation this is a

697
00:30:47,310 --> 00:30:44,200
you know an observation is a fact yo how

698
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:47,320
we explain that warming the idea that

699
00:30:51,660 --> 00:30:50,050
there are certain gases that because of

700
00:30:55,650 --> 00:30:51,670
their chemistry because of the physics

701
00:30:58,620 --> 00:30:55,660
involved act to warm the planet things

702
00:31:00,780 --> 00:30:58,630
like co2 things like methane the the

703
00:31:02,910 --> 00:31:00,790
important warming gases which are caught

704
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:02,920
in our atmosphere and which are helping

705
00:31:07,650 --> 00:31:04,810
to insulate the planet and make it

706
00:31:11,190 --> 00:31:07,660
toastier that's those are basic core

707
00:31:13,230 --> 00:31:11,200
ideas and so our explanations for the

708
00:31:17,340 --> 00:31:13,240
current warming of this planet which is

709
00:31:19,250 --> 00:31:17,350
an observation our core ideas which is

710
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:19,260
which is why

711
00:31:23,540 --> 00:31:20,970
there is this very strong consensus

712
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:23,550
about anthropogenic global warming yeah

713
00:31:28,910 --> 00:31:26,010
well I don't know what you're gonna be

714
00:31:31,370 --> 00:31:28,920
taking on next Jeannie retirement

715
00:31:35,090 --> 00:31:31,380
retirement and never sure you're not

716
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:35,100
truly truly yeah no yeah I am I have

717
00:31:40,340 --> 00:31:37,050
announced my retirement but by the end

718
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:40,350
of the year one well good grief hope you

719
00:31:46,460 --> 00:31:42,890
well let me tell you right here and now

720
00:31:49,550 --> 00:31:46,470
gotcha well you know the time has come

721
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:49,560
curtain of the time has come NCSE is at

722
00:31:54,700 --> 00:31:52,290
this very exciting time in its evolution

723
00:31:57,230 --> 00:31:54,710
shall we sit in its trajectory it's

724
00:31:59,360 --> 00:31:57,240
ontogeny if you will we've got this

725
00:32:02,300 --> 00:31:59,370
wonderful new exciting program that

726
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:02,310
climate change program is starting we're

727
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:05,370
where we've grown so much from when we

728
00:32:09,980 --> 00:32:06,930
just started out and it was just me

729
00:32:14,750 --> 00:32:09,990
right we've gone from 1 to 15 2 and only

730
00:32:17,060 --> 00:32:14,760
26 years but it's time for new ideas it

731
00:32:18,980 --> 00:32:17,070
really is it's time for somebody new to

732
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:18,990
come in and really take this

733
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:21,210
organization in new and creative

734
00:32:28,610 --> 00:32:24,450
directions you know it is the nature of

735
00:32:31,970 --> 00:32:28,620
nonprofits to thrive when you have new

736
00:32:33,350 --> 00:32:31,980
blood coming in and it's time oh well

737
00:32:35,030 --> 00:32:33,360
what do you think you'll have more time

738
00:32:37,790 --> 00:32:35,040
to do the same sort of stuff will you

739
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:37,800
can be doing different stuff well I

740
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:38,970
won't be waking up at night worrying

741
00:32:45,710 --> 00:32:42,690
about money well that will be nice

742
00:32:47,090 --> 00:32:45,720
that'll be real nice and see I'll get

743
00:32:49,430 --> 00:32:47,100
that dog that I was talking you'll get

744
00:32:51,190 --> 00:32:49,440
that dog but I don't suppose this is

745
00:32:54,700 --> 00:32:51,200
going to mean that end things like

746
00:32:57,170 --> 00:32:54,710
lecturing and visiting actually I have

747
00:32:59,630 --> 00:32:57,180
speaking engagements lined up through I

748
00:33:03,470 --> 00:32:59,640
think next me you go yeah i'd be

749
00:33:05,270 --> 00:33:03,480
surprised we're though nobody's actually

750
00:33:07,310 --> 00:33:05,280
called up and said oh I'm sorry we want

751
00:33:09,410 --> 00:33:07,320
to cancel yeah you're the doctor yeah

752
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:09,420
I'll still be good for a few for a few

753
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:13,170
more months I won't have forgotten

754
00:33:17,390 --> 00:33:15,090
everything I know but now you're just

755
00:33:19,820 --> 00:33:17,400
about to go to the Grand Canyon again

756
00:33:22,220 --> 00:33:19,830
yeah I am it's very exciting see now

757
00:33:25,490 --> 00:33:22,230
what I wanted to do is on the

758
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:25,500
description of the I mean you know we

759
00:33:29,750 --> 00:33:27,690
have advertised for a new executive

760
00:33:31,270 --> 00:33:29,760
director and the board is in the process

761
00:33:33,370 --> 00:33:31,280
of reviewing

762
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:33,380
resumes that have been submitted and

763
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:36,650
we'll be making decisions about who to

764
00:33:42,180 --> 00:33:38,450
interview and so forth in the very near

765
00:33:45,990 --> 00:33:42,190
future but I wanted to build into the

766
00:33:50,130 --> 00:33:46,000
the job description must hate

767
00:33:52,630 --> 00:33:50,140
unreasonably hot weather in cold water

768
00:33:56,020 --> 00:33:52,640
well because that's what the Grand

769
00:33:56,890 --> 00:33:56,030
Canyon courtesy of course yes but I

770
00:33:59,260 --> 00:33:56,900
don't think that's going to happen

771
00:34:01,780 --> 00:33:59,270
that's one of the real great perks of

772
00:34:03,250 --> 00:34:01,790
this job you see is is being able to go

773
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:03,260
to Grand Canyon every year it's a

774
00:34:07,870 --> 00:34:05,690
fabulous experience so we will be

775
00:34:10,870 --> 00:34:07,880
compact have our dates for next year

776
00:34:13,870 --> 00:34:10,880
already we have booked our our very

777
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:13,880
favorite outfitter mochi mac to go down

778
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:16,370
Grand Canyon again so any of your

779
00:34:20,350 --> 00:34:18,290
listeners who want to go take our

780
00:34:22,930 --> 00:34:20,360
creation and evolution tour of Grand

781
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:22,940
Canyon which you really must do someone

782
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:25,130
wages you really have to open be such

783
00:34:32,260 --> 00:34:29,810
fun and I will I I can't guarantee that

784
00:34:34,270 --> 00:34:32,270
I will be hosting this trip and yours in

785
00:34:38,350 --> 00:34:34,280
the future unless of course we get that

786
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:38,360
ideal candidate who hates water but I

787
00:34:42,610 --> 00:34:40,370
might I might just be tagging along as

788
00:34:44,230 --> 00:34:42,620
you know the thing about the canyon that

789
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:44,240
gets in your blood yeah it's such a

790
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:47,090
fabulous I say I'm very excited about

791
00:34:50,919 --> 00:34:49,490
have you get on that one that new think

792
00:34:52,510 --> 00:34:50,929
i saw on television where you can walk

793
00:34:54,970 --> 00:34:52,520
out over the Grand Canyon is at a

794
00:34:58,120 --> 00:34:54,980
different place that is on one of the

795
00:35:02,020 --> 00:34:58,130
side canyons and right somebody one of

796
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:02,030
the Indian reservations there and no i

797
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:08,210
haven't I I you can see it from from we

798
00:35:13,300 --> 00:35:11,330
sail past it all really happened if you

799
00:35:16,450 --> 00:35:13,310
look up you can see the particular

800
00:35:19,090 --> 00:35:16,460
Canyon and there are little the little

801
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:19,100
uh it's like a horseshoe comes out the

802
00:35:27,910 --> 00:35:22,970
glass right about it you can't be voted

803
00:35:30,220 --> 00:35:27,920
yes to it to take that but it's I'm just

804
00:35:33,310 --> 00:35:30,230
I'm probably too cheap to do it i think

805
00:35:34,930 --> 00:35:33,320
it's 25 bucks or something and i can

806
00:35:37,630 --> 00:35:34,940
look down in the canyon without actually

807
00:35:39,030 --> 00:35:37,640
i just go there i guess uh well and

808
00:35:41,590 --> 00:35:39,040
besides the fun part is looking up

809
00:35:42,180 --> 00:35:41,600
looking up but from the what from the

810
00:35:44,970 --> 00:35:42,190
river

811
00:35:46,410 --> 00:35:44,980
I mean people go to grand canyon and of

812
00:35:48,630 --> 00:35:46,420
course you go to the edge and you look

813
00:35:50,190 --> 00:35:48,640
over and there's this oh my god kind of

814
00:35:52,530 --> 00:35:50,200
moment because you appreciate the

815
00:35:55,140 --> 00:35:52,540
fastness and the beauty and the just the

816
00:36:00,089 --> 00:35:55,150
sweep and the spectacle of this fabulous

817
00:36:02,819 --> 00:36:00,099
feature but it's very different being on

818
00:36:05,819 --> 00:36:02,829
the river and looking up you you get a

819
00:36:10,650 --> 00:36:05,829
totally different perspective of the

820
00:36:13,230 --> 00:36:10,660
canyon the majesty and the sweep and the

821
00:36:16,170 --> 00:36:13,240
feeling of age is there but you

822
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:16,180
experience it differently and I you know

823
00:36:20,130 --> 00:36:18,490
it's just even if you've looked at Grand

824
00:36:22,349 --> 00:36:20,140
Canyon from the top I would encourage

825
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:22,359
everyone to look at it from the bottom

826
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:24,490
up it's a pretty extraordinary

827
00:36:28,410 --> 00:36:27,130
experience now just just something's

828
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:28,420
just occurred to me something I caught

829
00:36:31,740 --> 00:36:30,130
up with a little while ago on youtube in

830
00:36:34,980 --> 00:36:31,750
fact it was a show called conspiracy

831
00:36:38,370 --> 00:36:34,990
theory road trip have you seen that yes

832
00:36:44,190 --> 00:36:38,380
yes and they did they did a show on

833
00:36:46,470 --> 00:36:44,200
Grand Canyon yes which they had a they

834
00:36:48,329 --> 00:36:46,480
actually had asked me to do that and I

835
00:36:51,349 --> 00:36:48,339
just couldn't bring myself to do it

836
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:51,359
because I feel very strongly about not

837
00:36:58,890 --> 00:36:56,650
debating creation and you know this is

838
00:37:01,020 --> 00:36:58,900
television is television so what they're

839
00:37:03,690 --> 00:37:01,030
going to do is let's you and him fight

840
00:37:07,710 --> 00:37:03,700
yeah they did go to an extent it's it's

841
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:07,720
the it's the conflict narrative that

842
00:37:14,609 --> 00:37:12,010
they like to present and what I you know

843
00:37:17,730 --> 00:37:14,619
what I suggested to them that what might

844
00:37:19,650 --> 00:37:17,740
be a very interesting program I'm sorry

845
00:37:21,210 --> 00:37:19,660
our your listeners aren't familiar with

846
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:21,220
what the show is what they did is they

847
00:37:25,230 --> 00:37:23,530
got some conservative Christian students

848
00:37:27,660 --> 00:37:25,240
who were all young earth creationists

849
00:37:30,870 --> 00:37:27,670
and they took them on it to her little

850
00:37:33,690 --> 00:37:30,880
bus yeah and they went to various places

851
00:37:36,359 --> 00:37:33,700
i did also to various scientists and

852
00:37:38,250 --> 00:37:36,369
people young and then I think that

853
00:37:41,430 --> 00:37:38,260
climax was going to grand canyon where

854
00:37:43,470 --> 00:37:41,440
you know it was it done pray through was

855
00:37:45,540 --> 00:37:43,480
that the one who did it oh who was it

856
00:37:47,130 --> 00:37:45,550
i'm trying to remember they got a very

857
00:37:49,559 --> 00:37:47,140
competent scientists to take them

858
00:37:51,450 --> 00:37:49,569
through okok i remember i think it was

859
00:37:53,570 --> 00:37:51,460
done he did it whoever it was did a very

860
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:53,580
good job i think was done

861
00:38:03,020 --> 00:37:56,490
but you know of course it was here is

862
00:38:04,250 --> 00:38:03,030
the science and if you have your fingers

863
00:38:06,620 --> 00:38:04,260
in your ears you're not going to be

864
00:38:09,890 --> 00:38:06,630
listening to right and so none of these

865
00:38:13,940 --> 00:38:09,900
kids ever really quite absorbed the fact

866
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:13,950
that they're allegedly scientific views

867
00:38:20,660 --> 00:38:17,090
just don't match up to the data the data

868
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:20,670
the data clearly refute their view and

869
00:38:25,460 --> 00:38:23,610
it's only if you ignore huge amount of

870
00:38:27,830 --> 00:38:25,470
amounts of data and just cherry-pick the

871
00:38:29,900 --> 00:38:27,840
ones that superficially look like they

872
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:29,910
support your view that you can you can

873
00:38:35,690 --> 00:38:32,850
hold attitudes like the Grand Canyon

874
00:38:39,850 --> 00:38:35,700
having been formed after Noah's Flood I

875
00:38:42,170 --> 00:38:39,860
mean catastrophic production of the

876
00:38:46,430 --> 00:38:42,180
layers and then the cutting of the

877
00:38:49,130 --> 00:38:46,440
canyon itself and what I suggested to

878
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:49,140
the to the filmmakers before they filmed

879
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:50,970
it was it would be much more interesting

880
00:38:56,420 --> 00:38:54,450
to get some Christian Scientists some

881
00:38:59,600 --> 00:38:56,430
scientists who were also Christians but

882
00:39:01,370 --> 00:38:59,610
who accepted evolution so that the

883
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:01,380
students wouldn't be able to go into

884
00:39:07,070 --> 00:39:04,890
their you there the familiar default oh

885
00:39:09,980 --> 00:39:07,080
well he feels this way cuz he's an

886
00:39:12,950 --> 00:39:09,990
atheist rice yeah because that is their

887
00:39:15,050 --> 00:39:12,960
ultimate defense yes yeah and whereas if

888
00:39:17,060 --> 00:39:15,060
you had and you know I gave him some

889
00:39:21,590 --> 00:39:17,070
suggestions of some scientists who would

890
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:21,600
be good at explaining why why the

891
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:25,050
science refuted creation science but who

892
00:39:30,740 --> 00:39:27,890
also would kind of have that extra

893
00:39:32,660 --> 00:39:30,750
component of not being dismissible

894
00:39:34,730 --> 00:39:32,670
because they come from the same faith

895
00:39:36,350 --> 00:39:34,740
tradition as the students I mean you'd

896
00:39:38,150 --> 00:39:36,360
have to get evangelical scientists but I

897
00:39:40,370 --> 00:39:38,160
gave him some names really but at any

898
00:39:42,590 --> 00:39:40,380
rate mmm had any rate they decided to do

899
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:42,600
you know do it the way they did it so

900
00:39:46,990 --> 00:39:44,970
there you have it but it was it's it's

901
00:39:49,580 --> 00:39:47,000
an interesting program because these

902
00:39:53,330 --> 00:39:49,590
conservative Christian kids were were

903
00:39:57,110 --> 00:39:53,340
very likable and they were you know they

904
00:39:58,860 --> 00:39:57,120
were kids and so they're they're

905
00:40:02,370 --> 00:39:58,870
searching for meaning in life and

906
00:40:04,850 --> 00:40:02,380
you kind of you you you can't help but

907
00:40:08,010 --> 00:40:04,860
be sympathetic to them do you get um

908
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:08,020
requested often by documentaries and TV

909
00:40:13,460 --> 00:40:11,050
yeah yeah yeah it's not every I mean

910
00:40:16,410 --> 00:40:13,470
there's only so many that are done there

911
00:40:19,110 --> 00:40:16,420
when there's some sort of a public event

912
00:40:21,330 --> 00:40:19,120
like the Dover trial yes that kind of

913
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:21,340
generated a flurry of your documentary

914
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:23,170
no aid types of things all right we're

915
00:40:28,500 --> 00:40:25,210
actually fairly careful we will advise

916
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:28,510
anybody yes and try to steer them right

917
00:40:33,720 --> 00:40:31,570
so to speak so that they mean it has to

918
00:40:35,910 --> 00:40:33,730
be an entertaining show it's television

919
00:40:38,550 --> 00:40:35,920
right if we understand I understand that

920
00:40:40,260 --> 00:40:38,560
very well I guess yes it's not a science

921
00:40:42,750 --> 00:40:40,270
lecture it's got to be something fun

922
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:42,760
it's got to be something grabbing but if

923
00:40:47,300 --> 00:40:45,490
you can do that but still not distort

924
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:47,310
the science I consider it a victory and

925
00:40:51,630 --> 00:40:50,050
that's what we try to do we try to we

926
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:51,640
you know while appreciating the

927
00:40:55,710 --> 00:40:53,890
importance of being entertaining we try

928
00:40:58,200 --> 00:40:55,720
to steer them in ways that would make

929
00:40:59,550 --> 00:40:58,210
this do yeah I mean it doesn't hurt if

930
00:41:01,380 --> 00:40:59,560
you teach people a little bit of science

931
00:41:03,450 --> 00:41:01,390
on the side of course not even if your

932
00:41:05,340 --> 00:41:03,460
goal is to entertain you were on penn &

933
00:41:07,460 --> 00:41:05,350
teller's I went you were I

934
00:41:11,070 --> 00:41:07,470
remember years ago yes as well now as

935
00:41:12,780 --> 00:41:11,080
soon as it yes forever ago yeah I but in

936
00:41:14,460 --> 00:41:12,790
one respect it just seems like the other

937
00:41:16,260 --> 00:41:14,470
days it's shown a this show came out

938
00:41:19,290 --> 00:41:16,270
nothing oh wow what's this but yes it's

939
00:41:21,330 --> 00:41:19,300
a years ago now yeah that's scary is it

940
00:41:22,740 --> 00:41:21,340
still on I do not have to do so I don't

941
00:41:24,210 --> 00:41:22,750
think I've done a new episode for a long

942
00:41:27,810 --> 00:41:24,220
time yeah they did quite a number of

943
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:27,820
series but they have yes I thought after

944
00:41:32,610 --> 00:41:29,770
we tree watch it now isn't that scary

945
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:32,620
well I remember they when we hooked

946
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:34,210
quite a bit in the background on that

947
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:36,370
yeah and that this was I'm pretty sure

948
00:41:41,370 --> 00:41:38,050
the first season I'm pretty sure you're

949
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:41,380
right yeah because when we were called

950
00:41:47,250 --> 00:41:43,930
by the producers and they said they

951
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:47,260
couldn't tell me who it was or who the

952
00:41:50,430 --> 00:41:49,090
hosts were this was all very secret get

953
00:41:55,110 --> 00:41:50,440
really good released yet this is all

954
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:55,120
very hush-hush and then but you know we

955
00:41:58,500 --> 00:41:56,770
gave them advice of who to interview on

956
00:42:00,390 --> 00:41:58,510
the creationist side and you know where

957
00:42:01,770 --> 00:42:00,400
to find people and would interview on

958
00:42:06,090 --> 00:42:01,780
the evolution side and we kind of help

959
00:42:09,060 --> 00:42:06,100
them structure the the show and then I

960
00:42:10,950 --> 00:42:09,070
got they did go down to the Institute

961
00:42:12,420 --> 00:42:10,960
for Creation Research and the interview

962
00:42:14,070 --> 00:42:12,430
ition morris and you know the usual

963
00:42:18,870 --> 00:42:14,080
crowd down there I think was probably

964
00:42:22,020 --> 00:42:18,880
John Morris and they sent me the script

965
00:42:24,270 --> 00:42:22,030
and or maybe it was before they

966
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:24,280
interviewed it was before they

967
00:42:26,940 --> 00:42:25,690
interviewed and they wanted me to review

968
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:26,950
the script to see if they were going to

969
00:42:30,329 --> 00:42:28,450
be asking the right questions which is

970
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:30,339
exactly what we want people to do

971
00:42:33,810 --> 00:42:32,170
because we can help them yeah we can

972
00:42:38,070 --> 00:42:33,820
help them ask better questions that's a

973
00:42:40,770 --> 00:42:38,080
better show yeah and at the very top it

974
00:42:43,170 --> 00:42:40,780
said penn & teller and I thought ha how

975
00:42:44,820 --> 00:42:43,180
about that and until her must be doing a

976
00:42:46,589 --> 00:42:44,830
TV show but that's all I knew about it

977
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:46,599
yeah and they didn't have the name of

978
00:42:49,380 --> 00:42:48,130
the show or anything like oh there's

979
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:49,390
something to do with penet oh that

980
00:42:54,300 --> 00:42:52,210
should be fun but of course the people

981
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:54,310
who you know the people who interviewed

982
00:42:59,070 --> 00:42:56,410
me was we're not done and Teller they

983
00:43:02,820 --> 00:42:59,080
just sort of cut in dead entire boys the

984
00:43:04,290 --> 00:43:02,830
usual stuff yet yeah so um anywhere was

985
00:43:08,310 --> 00:43:04,300
fun it was fun working with those guys

986
00:43:11,460 --> 00:43:08,320
and it what's really fun is when they

987
00:43:16,050 --> 00:43:11,470
listen to you because we really can help

988
00:43:17,220 --> 00:43:16,060
them better show yeah so yeah well

989
00:43:18,660 --> 00:43:17,230
that's that's the advice of course

990
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:18,670
whether you're here or not Ginny the

991
00:43:23,579 --> 00:43:20,410
National Center for Center for Science

992
00:43:27,329 --> 00:43:23,589
Education is here to help and advise not

993
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:27,339
only teachers especially but also you're

994
00:43:32,250 --> 00:43:29,650
a resource for the media absolutely and

995
00:43:35,550 --> 00:43:32,260
we will continue to do that you know

996
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:35,560
when when I announced that I was

997
00:43:41,579 --> 00:43:37,210
retiring which it was i thinkin may

998
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:41,589
actually there was a fair amount of

999
00:43:49,140 --> 00:43:44,770
breast meeting oh no what a terrible

1000
00:43:52,740 --> 00:43:49,150
thing oh and you know the thing that

1001
00:43:56,460 --> 00:43:52,750
people have to remember is that NCSE has

1002
00:43:59,750 --> 00:43:56,470
never been just Eugenie Scott it's

1003
00:44:03,660 --> 00:43:59,760
always been a very hardworking and very

1004
00:44:06,780 --> 00:44:03,670
competent staff and now it's better than

1005
00:44:11,190 --> 00:44:06,790
ever and the yes I've helped to shape it

1006
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:11,200
but the the staff has always been what

1007
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:14,530
has made NCSE successful there's no way

1008
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:16,690
that one person could have done all that

1009
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:19,210
we've accomplished over the last couple

1010
00:44:22,910 --> 00:44:22,210
decades almost three decades but who's

1011
00:44:26,710 --> 00:44:22,920
counting

1012
00:44:29,650 --> 00:44:26,720
so you know people have to remember that

1013
00:44:32,510 --> 00:44:29,660
NCSE is going to be just fine without me

1014
00:44:36,380 --> 00:44:32,520
we'll get a new director who's who will

1015
00:44:41,059 --> 00:44:36,390
be creative and energetic and probably

1016
00:44:44,990 --> 00:44:41,069
better raising money than i am and this

1017
00:44:49,099 --> 00:44:45,000
he or she will do just fine and and

1018
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:49,109
frankly if it doesn't then i will have

1019
00:44:55,329 --> 00:44:52,410
failed mmm because what my goal is my

1020
00:44:58,250 --> 00:44:55,339
goal is for three or four years from now

1021
00:45:04,849 --> 00:44:58,260
some new staff member shows up at NC SC

1022
00:45:08,599 --> 00:45:04,859
and says genie who an unusual goal

1023
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:08,609
Janice manual well i'll be i am when you

1024
00:45:11,930 --> 00:45:10,170
used to come when i come knocking on the

1025
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:11,940
door it will be sad not to come back to

1026
00:45:15,140 --> 00:45:13,650
your office and sit down and have a cup

1027
00:45:17,059 --> 00:45:15,150
of coffee and yeah but you know where I

1028
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:17,069
man I do I've got your number genius

1029
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:19,410
good and I'm making I have made your

1030
00:45:23,630 --> 00:45:21,690
coming over for dinner oh yes yeah I had

1031
00:45:25,970 --> 00:45:23,640
I got up early this morning and I went

1032
00:45:28,609 --> 00:45:25,980
out to my backyard and I picked lemons

1033
00:45:30,890 --> 00:45:28,619
for my Meyer lemon tree I made you a

1034
00:45:32,990 --> 00:45:30,900
lemon meringue huh it's going to be

1035
00:45:35,900 --> 00:45:33,000
tasty now you are folks there's perks to

1036
00:45:45,810 --> 00:45:35,910
this job I tell you genius got the Gary

1037
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:49,450
hello Skepta potties dr. Willis here

1038
00:45:53,710 --> 00:45:51,650
from RI odds with some highlights of the

1039
00:45:56,050 --> 00:45:53,720
news in science for this past week and

1040
00:45:59,290 --> 00:45:56,060
as always news from the world of science

1041
00:46:00,850 --> 00:45:59,300
has come thick and fast a Swedish study

1042
00:46:03,220 --> 00:46:00,860
has found that children with high

1043
00:46:05,740 --> 00:46:03,230
proportions of polyunsaturated fatty

1044
00:46:08,020 --> 00:46:05,750
acids in cord blood at Birth are more

1045
00:46:10,630 --> 00:46:08,030
likely to develop respiratory and skin

1046
00:46:13,150 --> 00:46:10,640
allergies in their early teens the fatty

1047
00:46:15,850 --> 00:46:13,160
acids in question were omega-3 and

1048
00:46:17,950 --> 00:46:15,860
omega-6 but the mechanism by which these

1049
00:46:20,620 --> 00:46:17,960
lipids might affect allergy development

1050
00:46:22,810 --> 00:46:20,630
remains unknown other researchers in

1051
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:22,820
this area urge care when interpreting

1052
00:46:27,910 --> 00:46:25,010
this study and have expressed skepticism

1053
00:46:29,860 --> 00:46:27,920
about its methodology a study in The

1054
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:29,870
Lancet has found that prolonged exposure

1055
00:46:35,380 --> 00:46:32,930
to particulate air pollution increases

1056
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:35,390
the risk of lung cancer even at levels

1057
00:46:40,690 --> 00:46:38,810
below European Union limits this is one

1058
00:46:43,030 --> 00:46:40,700
of the largest studies of its kind and

1059
00:46:45,430 --> 00:46:43,040
includes data from Australia the study

1060
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:45,440
also showed that short-term exposure to

1061
00:46:49,750 --> 00:46:47,810
most major air pollutants appears to

1062
00:46:52,500 --> 00:46:49,760
increase the risk of being hospitalized

1063
00:46:54,790 --> 00:46:52,510
for and dying from heart failure

1064
00:46:57,130 --> 00:46:54,800
Australia's chief scientist Professor

1065
00:46:59,320 --> 00:46:57,140
Ian Chubb has identified antibiotic

1066
00:47:02,110 --> 00:46:59,330
resistance as an important scientific

1067
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:02,120
issue for the Australian public he says

1068
00:47:05,350 --> 00:47:04,010
it has the potential to become one of

1069
00:47:08,170 --> 00:47:05,360
the world's biggest public health

1070
00:47:10,090 --> 00:47:08,180
challenges a new paper released by the

1071
00:47:12,550 --> 00:47:10,100
office of the chief scientist this week

1072
00:47:14,950 --> 00:47:12,560
says that urgent action must be taken to

1073
00:47:18,430 --> 00:47:14,960
address the rising threat of antibiotic

1074
00:47:20,980 --> 00:47:18,440
resistance good bacteria from poo may

1075
00:47:23,140 --> 00:47:20,990
help an inflamed tummy an article

1076
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:23,150
published in Nature this week identified

1077
00:47:29,230 --> 00:47:25,930
a combination of 17 human-derived

1078
00:47:31,540 --> 00:47:29,240
Clostridium that reduce the severity of

1079
00:47:34,240 --> 00:47:31,550
allergic and inflammatory conditions in

1080
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:34,250
the guts of mice it suggested that these

1081
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strains may be useful candidates for the

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future development of oral bacterial or

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probiotic therapeutics to treat human

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inflammatory disorders and finally this

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week does a child's bedtime affect their

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brain power a UK study found that going

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to bed at different times every night

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out early childhood seems to curb a

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child's brain power they looked at over

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11,000 seven year olds and found that

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those with irregular bedtimes at age

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three had lower scores in reading maths

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and spatial awareness this applied to

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both boys and girls suggesting that

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around the age of three could be a

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sensitive period for cognitive

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development more information on these

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and other science news stories including

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the original papers where possible can

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be found on the Arias website are I aus

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org dot a you and to wrap up this week's

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bulletin some recent science history did

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you realize that it's been one year

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since the announcement of the discovery

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of the Higgs boson what have we learnt

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in the last 365 days you may well ask

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and what's so important about a Higgs

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boson anyway find out more in a guest

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blog on the are isles website that's our

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oils org do i you that's it from me for

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this week and remember it's our

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obligation not to believe in the

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hi I'm Finn and I'm Rebecca and where

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the skipper cons skipper Collins is an

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Irish podcast by the Dublin skeptics

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society it takes a conversational

1117
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Reverend look at science news and

1118
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skeptical topics from an Irish

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perspective you can find us at WWDC

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spirit is strong

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thank you for listening to the skeptic

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zone while I'm still here at the end of

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this massive hallway at the amazing

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meeting there's a session in progress

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right now so it's a little bit quiet out

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here but soon I'm sure they'll be hordes

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of people walking past the Australian

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skeptics table now before I go before I

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go this week something to look out for

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it to go to and there'll be a link in

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the on the web page to show notes for

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this episode the ABC science show

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catalysts in Australia in the last week

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ran a program very critical indeed of

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chiropractic and it was quite a report

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quite an interesting report if you look

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at the show notes for this week or if

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you google catalyst ABC television or if

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you know the website you'll certainly

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find it and I can sincerely recommend

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you invest half an hour and watch that

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report it's not geo locked so you can

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see that online video all around the

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world so that's catalyst program from

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ABC television in Australia and their

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special report on chiropractic well

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coming up over the next few weeks I hope

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to bring you lots of interesting

1149
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insights and interviews from the amazing

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meeting here in Las Vegas but until then

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I better put this recording equipment

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away and set up my table with their

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copies of the skeptic magazine and talk

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to people for the rest of the day and uh

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next week this is Richard Saunders

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signing off from the amazing meeting in

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you've been listening to the skeptics

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are visit our website at www skeptics on